Bid for 5G telecommunication mast in Church Langley refused
News / Tue 15th Feb 2022 at 10:27am
PLANS for a 5G Telecommunication mast in Church Langley have been rejected by Harlow Council.
The mast was set to be installed on Church Langley Way at junction of Ashworth Place.
Close to 90 objections were submitted to
However, Harlow Council has written to the applicant informing them that the application has been refused because of
Full details of the proposal can be found at www.planningonline.harlow.gov.uk
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Neil Warner-Baker
2022-02-15 11:16:54
I really hope that our councillors take note that a 45 meter ROUNDABOUT perched 28 feet in the air at the banks of the River Stort within our Town park is also by reason of its size, scale and prominent position also harmful to the character and appearance of the Area!
Ray
2022-02-15 12:45:00
Good news, we need to protect our villages.
Rooney
2022-02-15 13:25:26
Hate to break it to you, but Church Langley is not a village...
Ray
2022-02-15 13:53:47
Well that;s what they called it when the were building it.
Rooney
2022-02-15 14:03:48
If I call my car a boat, it doesn't make it seaworthy. It was marketed as a village living, and some of the residents there like to refer to it as a village, but it's just a housing estate in Harlow.
Ray
2022-02-15 16:06:51
You have a boat, wow!
Matthew
2022-02-15 19:19:58
Maybe they could add a mast to the water tower.
Ray
2022-02-15 19:32:55
Or use the mast on Rooney's boat?
Kim Oconnor
2022-02-15 19:35:03
Well said Neil. I'll just add , that councils like to call them villages, but of course we all know, there unaffordable housing estates.
Connie
2022-02-16 04:58:38
Kim O’Connor frequently complains about unaffordable housing, but Church Langley, Newhall and Gilden Way are all occupied and being bought. So they can’t be unaffordable. Harlow, given its strategic position on the London -Cambridge corridor has the cheapest property and land prices in the region. This will change as new high tech companies move here bringing highly skilled and well-paid workforces and offering good jobs to locals already here. Harlow will get an uplift as these residents will demand better cultural and leisure options. If people find prices inaccessible in Harlow, then they should consider moving to somewhere cheaper. We have seen this occur in a number of places in London and elsewhere. It is inevitable.
Kim Oconnor
2022-02-16 08:51:28
Connie, it's sad that you don't allow other people s opinions. Have you any idea how many people in Harlow are waiting for homes. How many people are on benefits, and how many in private rent, and theses private rents are being paid for by benifts. No you don't. So what your basically saying is for theses people who can't afford to buy should leave there home town, where they were bred and born, to move elsewhere. Theses new unaffordable housing will bring people in from elsewhere, while Harlow people wait for years for homes, and are waiting years for homes. It may not of even entered your mind that there's thousands that can't afford to buy. That there's thousands waiting for affordable homes. There building housing association, theses are not council there private. You say it will be inevitable that people will move out, your so wrong, theses people are stuck in a situation that they carnt afford to move out, and to move out to where, there's no council housing elsewhere either. WHY SHOULD WE LEAVE OUR HOME TOWN.
Connie
2022-02-16 09:04:09
Kim O’Connor, I understand your comments. I imagine the situation is replicated in many parts of the country. There is no space left in Harlow. Council Housing is very expensive to build and provide and should be for the most genuinely needy. It is not a right or an entitlement. Anyone moving here and buying property is as much a Harlow person as those born here. Just being born here does not give greater rights. It is really important that the town improves and that it attracts new businesses, jobs and qualified people. That is how the social and cultural levels will get better. As I said, it is a fact that Harlow property is comparatively inexpensive and that over the next few years it will increase through demand. The majority in the town are home owners and that majority will grow further with the new developments around the town.
Si
2022-02-16 09:35:39
Hate to say it but good percentage of Church Langley, New Hall and Gilden Way have been bought by landlords to rent out. Church Langley has in the past had a drug problem. I should know as I work in alot of properties on these estates and around harlow. CL is rundown as is New Hall. Gilden Way once the new road is finished will be noisy and have high pollution, which could possibly reduce house prices depending on there location. Old saying you cant polish a turd
Connie
2022-02-16 09:38:39
Kim O’Connor, I doubt if Harlow’s waiting list is much different to other councils. A big issue is that council homes are subject to a Right to Buy after 5 years occupancy. So a tenant gets a home at a subsidised rent and then buys it a huge discount. It is very popular and a great deal for tenants, which why no governments- Labour or Tory dare to change it, but terrible for councils and tax payers. Tenants also can stay in the property for life if they pay the rent. So you have a couple or single person living in a 3-4 bed house after their families have left, whilst young families are on the waiting list. Just building council houses is not a solution, it is also a potential problem without change to the rules. Maybe building sheltered accommodation for older people is a preference. It is not an easy one.
Neil Warner Baker
2022-02-16 11:29:52
What bothers me is that these new estates are `Car centric' and designed to be sold to Commuters who will have little Contact or integration with the town but have taken advantage of the relative cheep house prices when compared to the likes of Loughton or Woodford but remain expensive for Harlow natives as our earning power is well below that of the regional average. All the political party's agree that we are facing a climate emergency and that we need to reduce car usage dramatically. Sir Giddard was a visionary and designed the town to have a car ownership of 1 car per 7 households, to attain that a cheep and efficient bus service was essential. I don't think that Gibbard failed in this.. It was Essex County Council that took away the subsidy in the early 80s. The irony is that ECC probably spend more on not keeping up with the repair of pot holes and curbs on our overcrowded roads and we have an inadequate mass transport system and are forced to perpetuate car ownership in order to get to work.
Connie
2022-02-16 11:47:51
Neil Warner Baker, all places evolve and have social mobility. Just imagine how the people of the old villages and hamlets of Harlow, Churchgate St, Potter St, Netteswell, Hare Street and Great Parndon felt when their environment was altered beyond recognition for an invasion of 50,000 outsiders in the early 1950’s. Towns change. Harlow has long left it’s roots as an overspill New Town. It is reaching its 75th anniversary. It now needs to adapt and rebrand itself as a hub of enterprise and skill along the London -Cambridge corridor. All change produces winners and losers. We need to focus on the opportunities. Property prices will inevitably rise and new high end businesses will narrow the average earnings gap. We need to invest in training and retaining our best young people.
Neil wb
2022-02-16 12:32:29
Dear Connie, its always a pleasure to converse with you. I quite agree with you as to the controversy when the town was built and remember the tensions between the Old and New townies as a child growing up in the 1960s. However it was Home for Hero's, providing sanitary Conditions for our demobbed Soldiers in the wake of bombed out cities, People like my Father who fought for their country and who's family were bombed out 3 times in harsh conditions in their native East end. They moved enmass with their work colleaguesjobs in place, in my father's case With STC crystal division (inventors of fibre oprics) who were previously based in Woolwich. He rose to the position of senior executive but he never owned a Car, he took the 804 bus to work.. A service that no longer runs to our industrial sites. Gibbard and collegues were master planners and retained the older roads, repurposing many as walking and cycling routes to our Industrial sites and shopping centres. Again I say it is our transport system that has failed us and that Harlow was not by design a 'commuter' town
Connie
2022-02-16 13:48:50
Dear Neil, I agree completely regarding transport. My parents moved here from Islington in 1961. It was a paradise for children with so much open spaces, woods, etc. Children played outside all the time and walked to and from school. Fewer people commuted and many cycled to work.Public transport was pretty good. Today most households have cars (often several). Society has changed, habits have changed, the make-up of the population has changed. Today, children do not walk to school but are taken and collected often by car. I agree that if the Harlow Gilston goes ahead, sustainable and cheap, reliable public transport is essential. Maybe different size buses should operate at different times of the day. Ideally bus routes should also crisscross the town and not use the Terminus as a junction. Frequencies to work destinations need to run every 5-10 minutes at rush hours and maybe every 20 mins at other times. Sound research will show what is needed, where and when. If we want more people to get back to cycling, cycle paths need to be maintained and expanded. The one benefit the Harlow Gilston project might bring is to raise consciousness on these issues.
Neil wb
2022-02-16 14:38:03
Bless you Connie. I'm glad we can agree and even when we disagree we can be courteous and agree to disagree. I can across a film on BBC player "The Age of Stupid," it's central plot is the Climate emergency, Whether we believe the consequences or not. I would re ommend all our cllrs and decision makers take the time to watch it as it is certainly thought Provoking. Oh Well done to residents for objecting to the Mast and for the Planning ommitee for hearing them..
James
2022-02-16 21:18:42
I totally disagree I rented now bought in CL its a lovely area! Maybe the people on benefits need to get a job? CL is very affordable with a lot of property for the money?
Kim Oconnor
2022-02-17 08:04:47
James, the trouble is we carnt put people in box's, for instance, single parents, and there's a lot of them. Theses people are stuck. They have no other choice but to be on some kind of benifts, they carnt afford child care. There's a lot of people for what ever circumstances, are stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Connie
2022-02-17 08:19:34
Kim O’Connor, I know a young woman in her early 30’s, she has 5 kids from different men. Do you expect us to have sympathy? She is irresponsible. Why should we subsidise her lifestyle? People have to assume responsibility for their actions. She does work part-time as her family helps. Of course some people who are incapacitated are on benefits and deserving. However, there are many who are bone idle, druggies, etc. They add nothing. In these cases, James is right. If they refuse reasonable job offers, their benefits should be cut. Also, as for your wanting more council houses, where are they to be built? Harlow is full. There is no space. The last remaining areas are around Newhall and that land is owned by private developers who are building there. There is nowhere else.
Rooney
2022-02-17 09:28:19
Keep it down you lot, I'm trying to add this new mast to my boat!
Pauline S
2022-02-17 10:30:53
Some interesting comments. However, education is perhaps the most important aspect. If only our older people could impress this on the younger generation. Good education is becoming more essential every year and there is such a lot to learn! And good education starts at an early age, so parents need to 'kick start' it if they want their offspring to progress. Bedtime stories are a good start!
Connie
2022-02-17 12:03:04
Pauline S, I agree, education starts at home and continues throughout. Both my sons could read basic English before they started school. We always encouraged reading on whatever subject they enjoyed: animals, history, sport, etc. It doesn’t really matter as long as they are stimulated to learn. They also understood basic maths: addition and subtraction. Reading has always been encouraged as was playing chess and a musical instrument and plenty of sport. Both boys went on to good universities and then did Maters degrees. Now in their mid and late 20’s they have excellent jobs and are buying their first homes. They have worked hard, but it can be done. Even if children are not particularly academic, there are plenty of opportunities for apprenticeships leading to good jobs. Others can become entrepreneurs starting their own businesses. Unlike Kim O’Connor, I think people should be encouraged to aspire rather than bemoan their fate and expect handouts. Home influence is key and parents need to share responsibility with schools for their children’s education.
Kim Oconnor
2022-02-17 19:17:01
Let me tell you something Connie. I used to be a single parent. I raised my son by my self. With no help from benifts, because I worked. And I went to college. My son was raised exactly the same way, reading skills,ect ect all came from home. He worked from an early age, paper round,ect ect. Did well at school, an accomplished musician. When he left school, he went on to do an apprenticeship, in Alam engineering, he now owns his own business. Please don't make the assumption you know me. I have lived with a college lecturer for many years now, you can take a horse to water but you carnt make them drink. In others words, if kids want to learn they will learn, if they don't they won't. .
Connie
2022-02-17 19:31:03
Kim O’Connor, I assure you I was not referring to you, but rather to your point of view. I am delighted for your son and the sacrifices you made towards his success. Parents do have a huge influence on children and success can come in many forms. The pursuit of excellence in all endeavours does make a difference.
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